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hey everybody welcome back to the

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channel i feel like i've not done a lot

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of in quite some time um so

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it is good to be here let's just see

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who's here graham rondell hello graham

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happy birthday

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everyone in the chat give show graham

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some love i see some of you are already

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mr ryan sprague arno my brother

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everyone else good to see you um

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so tonight we have

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two gentlemen who are not only good

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friends with their colleagues as well at

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uap media uk

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uh mr andy mcgrillen who i will bring in

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right now

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hey

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you okay i'm good mate how are you i am

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wonderful i'm here i've got a good

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signal i'm on time yep

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are you going to bring in dan now buddy

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well

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we just had a little technical issue

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didn't we

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as we were just preparing to come on dan

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uh suddenly appeared and froze instantly

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so we're kind of

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waiting for him to join us but um

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let's just get cracking man and we'll

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just pop him in when he when and if he

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appears

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i've sent him a message just to say you

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know are you in a basement with no

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signal um but yeah

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hey these things happen it's all good

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you've got the um

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yeah there we go oh someone's just

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popped in

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he's moving

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dan is this working now ah

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it's actually disappointing

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awesome

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spot in the room that i i think the

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internet gets uh a bit yankee here so

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i'm hotspotting my phone my phone is

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really far behind me

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so we're getting hey it's all good but

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it's strange not to see that glorious

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where where's

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it's a little bit different

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that's all good man so how are you both

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first of all let's let's just start with

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the pleasantries

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uh dan do you want to go first well you

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seem to have signal

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you're all right now but as soon as you

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start talking it'll uh

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it'll probably go to try and move

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yeah as soon as i have to contribute

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it's it just messes that's all good i

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was just checking how you guys are but

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it's you're all right yeah i'll tell you

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i'll tell you because i've got a signal

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look look at this i can move without it

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pixelated

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so yeah i i am good i'm a little bit ill

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i've had a few days where i don't tend

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to like notify people that i'm going to

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be quiet online i don't do that stuff

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but um i just could have had a few days

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but i've not talked too much and i've

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not recorded for a few days either

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because i've just had a bit of a man

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called but i was telling you before we

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hit recalled ted's are up all night and

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i think i'm just run down but i'm

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getting back in the game managed to

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catch up with dan yesterday and have a

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bit of a scheduling call for december

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and okay so what are we doing this month

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coming up and that was good so but yeah

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i was i was excited to do this i wasn't

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going to miss this ah i appreciate it

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man really i do um if you need to go and

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vomit or anything just just feel free

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you know

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okay bye

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[Laughter]

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that kind of leads me into a question

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you know if you feel like you've had a

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few days off does that

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affect you when you sort of come back to

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to recording and doing interviews and

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stuff

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nah um do you know what's really weird

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i still try and get it in my head that

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people aren't sitting at their phones

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waiting on me releasing a podcast right

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probably um

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people aren't doing that so people have

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lives and i i look at the way i look at

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podcasts on on my podcast feed and when

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they drop they drop um i know i've got a

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bit of a schedule that i've started to

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stick to the last couple of months um

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but i tend to think that i put out quite

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a bit of content between the interviews

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and what me and dan do and everything

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else and other updates and whatnot so i

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think there's enough there that people

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don't get worried or panicked yet maybe

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if i went like a week without releasing

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anything people might be like wait a

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minute um but uh but yeah i tend to feel

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like if i'm ahead of myself i don't know

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if you get like this if you've if you've

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recorded a few and not done any lives

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then if you go a few days without doing

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anything you can feel like i need to do

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something i've not done anything i think

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you started this saying you've not done

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a live for like what seems like an

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eternity but it did yeah

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but now i think i get back into it quick

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yeah i do the thing is it's this time of

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year i've slowed i mean this is my first

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year doing it and so i really

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i've realized now that coming into

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december with christmas coming up and

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family time my daughter's birthdays in a

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few days it's like

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i've got a prioritized family sometimes

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you know oh totally i've been working

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flat out um the last kind of

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three four weeks i i told dan at the

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start of november that my schedule is

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about to get really tight um and i'm

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straight into working again like the

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next three and a half weeks up till

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christmas but yeah but as well as it's

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we fit in

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yeah no that's cool just for everyone

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watching now live and after the fact

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this is going to be a bit of a mixture

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of a conversation we're going to talk

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about some serious stuff but we're also

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just friends who are going to be having

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a chat because i know

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sometimes i get comments from people

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after the fact just going uh you know

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what is this is it just a hangout i'm

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like well sometimes it is you know but

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we will start off now on a serious point

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because dan let's

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keep let's get right up to date with

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what's happening with the ndaa

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i'm even hearing that there's new

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language being put into it can you just

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give us the latest if you don't mind

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yeah sure so basically where we

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currently stand is that the ndaa is

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i'll say wine and that passes because it

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usually passes they need these things to

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pass um

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then we kind of begin the discussion

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arguing over terms between the version

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from the senate and the version from

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congress and this is where the

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gila brand amendment comes in

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and if people get in touch with their

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senators representatives officials

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anyone even the lady down the street

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because she might then write a senator

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they will

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they'll know what's coming basically and

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they'll know what the public want out of

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this office and language which seems to

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be you know full of transparency and

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accountability um so i'd say you know

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everyone keep their eyes

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uh on the passing of the ndaa but

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that part isn't gonna be the big

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celebration that i'm getting the sense

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that some people think it will be um the

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ndaa passing there is uap language in

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there but it's not the gila brand

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amendment um and that amendment needs to

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be brought in which will happen probably

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through conference uh after

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the ndaa passes

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right that's cool thank you man do you

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think there's a chance that we may get

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the ndaa pass without the amendments

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which would then put

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the ruben galejo

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part of the bill into i don't know

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action or whatever do you think that

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might happen at some as a possibility

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yeah exactly so i think what we'll see

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is the ndaa passes with that language in

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it i.e it's a placeholder language uh if

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you have a read there

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it's kind of vague but it's it's

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what was there before gillibrand brought

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her amendments and found her co-sponsors

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and it being clearly a placeholder means

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that they have to work these things out

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in conference um against congress's

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version of the next year's budget and

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and that's where we'll hash out the

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language and kind of say okay what do we

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really want from this office

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and that's why it's more important than

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ever that people use their voice and

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speak to their officials brilliant

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excellent now let's

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say it goes through it passes we get an

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amendment of some sort and it's all

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what would happen to the aoi msg will it

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run side by side on two train tracks as

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you like to say or will it be one or the

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they could run side by side i can see a

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world in which

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the the aoi msg is more of a

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data hub

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um but the way there is currently

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pitched that is basically a replacement

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to the uaptf and not much of an upgrade

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at all

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just you know we're going to carry this

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on and give her a new name and pretend

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it's a you know new new

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vogue um

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the the gila brand amendment and the

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astro office if that's what it ends up

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being called is a sea change in how

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people are going to be held accountable

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for this and i know people say that even

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if this comes in it doesn't mean that

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they're gonna suddenly handle the uap

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information over and yeah

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yeah fine but a law doesn't exist to

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hold them against right now so if we

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have that law there then we can you know

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send send the police over and and get

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them to have a word that's cool cool

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andy what we also

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go go go i was just gonna we've also got

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the the

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dod uh inspector general report due and

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i say jew it's kind of loosey-goosey um

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could be next few months could could be

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a bit longer but i imagine they've

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really got their teeth into their

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investigation um and that's gonna be a

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really revealing

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uh a moment when that report comes out

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they sanction and say oh yeah you know

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how they've been treating the subject is

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fine

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that's just

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it's going to leave a bad taste in

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people's mouths

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and that refers back to the uap task

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force and how

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there was lack of cooperation between

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agencies and and sectors am i right in

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saying that

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yeah yeah that's right um some even

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suggested that the air force wasn't just

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not collaborating but it was actively in

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in

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sure

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that's cool andy what do you make of all

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this

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whatever dan tells me to make of it

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no so um i i actually very quickly vinny

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for you if you want this isn't an

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exclusive for you but a listener got in

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touch with a bit of a live update to say

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they're a former staffer they've got

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political background in in the us and

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they mentioned they're following the

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legislative package quite closely and

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they said that um senate republicans are

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holding up the bill today um as of this

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afternoon to force the administration to

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implement sanctions on the russia to

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germany natural gas line known as

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nordstrom 2 so um i don't think we're

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going to hear much there today but it's

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a bit of a long game for this one um

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yeah do you know what i i've said before

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i've never had the fact i'm not

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politically minded in that in that sense

305
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and i'm kind of following this along and

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when i do those updates with dan it's as

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much for me as anyone else because it

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lets me talk through what's happening

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what does this actually mean in layman's

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terms forget all the big numbers and and

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bill names that dan's great with and all

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that kind of stuff

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um

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it seems to me and i i would like like

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to know

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would the community have reacted better

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if we didn't have the the gela brand

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amendment and the

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the aoi msg came out without that would

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there have been a much more positive

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reaction to oh look we've got progress

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we've got movement

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as opposed to the way it's happened that

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we seem to had

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a shiny thing dangled in front of us but

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then something slightly less shiny's

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come along

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like basically it's like i think for

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christmas you want a ps5 but your mom

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gets you a ps4 instead and you're like

331
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ah i don't have a ps4 but and it's an

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upgrade on the ps3 i've got but i really

333
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wanted that ps5 that all my mates have

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got now so it seems like that's going to

335
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happen to us a little bit

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that is an incredible analogy and i yeah

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that makes perfect sense uh just going

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to give a shout out to walker

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thank you

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just go in with your

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analogy

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that

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it's like

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your parents promising to get you a ps5

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and the aoi msg is like a ps4 with just

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the gently drawn on logo and they're

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like yeah we swear it's a brand new

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thing

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it's one of the wish ps5 so that turns

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it's a polystyrene block with ps5

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written on it so so yeah man oh and how

352
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to walk it as well walker's a

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good ah

354
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yeah he just just says love your work

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guys thanks for your commitment to

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finding the truth of the uap mystery

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we do what we do

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that's what that's that's that's what we

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can do really you know

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um

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so let's thank you for that update i

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just wanted to kind of get right up

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today with what's happening um and and i

364
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guess there's so much more to come so we

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just have to kind of play the waiting

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game a little bit

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now let's take this right back uh andy

368
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this is for you i'd really like to know

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about your

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background and history and what got you

371
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into the ufo subject

372
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um

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i feel i'm getting like a like kaz clark

374
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and that's usually well rehearsed how i

375
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say this now no not to have a to get

376
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anyone um so

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back in the uh early days of my

378
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childhood shall we say i i always really

379
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enjoyed hearing about kind of mysteries

380
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and um loch ness monster was a big thing

381
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for me being from scotland and

382
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i never liked ghost stories i've said

383
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that many many times that uh the the

384
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ghost side of things always and still

385
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scares me now um and i used to enjoy

386
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reading about ufos and who built the

387
00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:15,199
pyramids and all that kind of stuff my

388
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gran really got me into a lot of that

389
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and um

390
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yeah so i know you mentioned about

391
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talking about my early sighting so when

392
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i was um about nine or ten i was leaving

393
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what we would have as in the uk as the

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boys brigade it's kind of like the

395
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scouts but a little bit different um and

396
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there was five of us me my mom my sister

397
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um

398
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a claw across a really busy built up

399
00:14:44,710 --> 00:14:42,480
area uh so it wasn't like fields and

400
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open expanse it was all houses as far as

401
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the eye can see sports complex and shops

402
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everything like that

403
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:51,040
late at night and looking down the road

404
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there was what looked like a huge ferris

405
00:14:58,470 --> 00:14:55,440
wheel but tilted slightly on its side

406
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spinning really really really fast now

407
00:15:03,189 --> 00:15:01,120
dan can i done this for the podcast logo

408
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we've got these cool patches not to hawk

409
00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:04,639
merch and all that kind of stuff but

410
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that that is kind of what i've seen it's

411
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maybe slightly bigger representation

412
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:10,959
wise than it actually was but for the

413
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:12,639
purpose of the patch it works well but

414
00:15:17,509 --> 00:15:14,959
um that was basically what i saw so the

415
00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:17,519
thing would have been 50 60 70 feet

416
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maybe 100 feet in size it was on the

417
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ground that was like low down so you

418
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couldn't see the bottom of it above the

419
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trees as as depicted and i've had my

420
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like as is depicted there um

421
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and and yeah so

422
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we just saw and it was like well what's

423
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:34,959
that thing along there

424
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that that was it we we looked at it and

425
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all that's interesting and left we

426
00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:41,120
didn't hang about it was the mid-90s

427
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,360
there was no camera phones you know it

428
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:45,120
would have been a jvc camcorder on the

429
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shoulder if anyone had any recording

430
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equipment um

431
00:15:53,749 --> 00:15:51,519
and it was really that spectacular as it

432
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:53,759
looks there and as i've said this before

433
00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:55,839
the frustration and i understand when

434
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you hear from i'm certainly not an

435
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:58,880
experiencer but people who have

436
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:01,199
sightings and stuff where it's just me

437
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,959
telling the story but that's what

438
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:04,399
happened and we saw something that

439
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:06,320
incredible that loads and loads of

440
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:08,399
people would have seen but again at the

441
00:16:11,749 --> 00:16:09,759
time you wouldn't hear about it on the

442
00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:11,759
news or no one else we didn't report it

443
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:13,839
who do you report it to do you phone the

444
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:15,519
police and tell the police i've just

445
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:18,560
seen a huge ferris wheel type ufo

446
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,399
hovering what would have been inside a

447
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,320
sports complex

448
00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:24,000
i missed that dan

449
00:16:32,949 --> 00:16:25,519
nick pope

450
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:32,959
probably what 1995 96 would he have just

451
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:34,880
been out there mod at that point just

452
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:38,000
about finishing yeah um so yeah he

453
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,240
hadn't started his hollywood career yet

454
00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:42,720
so it wasn't really well well known and

455
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:44,399
nick pope's a really nice guy like i've

456
00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,880
been to see him years ago um but his

457
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:49,199
career is what it is but yeah so we had

458
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:50,800
that um kind of sighting and that all

459
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,639
was stuck with me because i think like

460
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,320
anyone once you've seen not just a

461
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:56,639
little dot in the sky but something like

462
00:16:59,910 --> 00:16:58,079
that so close

463
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:59,920
that's it for me that kind of stuck with

464
00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:01,199
me um

465
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:04,880
fast forward taking a december 2019 i

466
00:17:09,750 --> 00:17:07,120
was driving home from work and about 6

467
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:09,760
p.m again cold night cold dark night

468
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:11,199
there was a black triangle hovering

469
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:14,000
above the the road again maybe 100 150

470
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:16,160
feet near where i was driving and i only

471
00:17:19,669 --> 00:17:17,839
noticed it because i saw the two lights

472
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:19,679
as i was driving towards them

473
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:21,839
and thinking it was near an airport but

474
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,319
it's very it's an odd way for a flight

475
00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:26,400
to come when the airport's over that way

476
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:27,199
um

477
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,760
and kept kept seeing it kept seeing it

478
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:31,200
it didn't seem you know you get to the

479
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:33,120
point where i'm driving it just must be

480
00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,720
the pace that it doesn't look like it's

481
00:17:38,630 --> 00:17:36,880
moving but then i got very close to the

482
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,640
two lights and noticed they are they're

483
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:40,640
really low down and they're not moving

484
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,559
and essentially i saw a white van parked

485
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,160
at the side of a very busy road and the

486
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,799
driver was leaning out and looking up

487
00:17:50,789 --> 00:17:48,240
and as i passed under it i could just

488
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:50,799
see the outline of a black triangle two

489
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,080
lights on the back

490
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,480
nothing on the front and you would not

491
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:56,240
have noticed this had these two lights

492
00:17:59,909 --> 00:17:58,000
not been there it could have just sat

493
00:18:02,630 --> 00:17:59,919
perfectly because the night sky it was

494
00:18:05,029 --> 00:18:02,640
it was just so much black um

495
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:05,039
and i drove along the road that the

496
00:18:08,230 --> 00:18:06,720
first thing i'd done i couldn't stop the

497
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:08,240
car because of the busy road and there

498
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:10,880
was nowhere to park i phoned my wife

499
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:13,280
and commented on it uh just that was my

500
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:15,600
natural reaction mr phone my wife and i

501
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,520
i talked about this thing being there

502
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:19,360
and she was like all right and i'm like

503
00:18:22,710 --> 00:18:20,799
no no but it's amazing i just needed

504
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:22,720
someone to talk it through with i didn't

505
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:24,799
have that at that point

506
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:27,120
and so i pulled into this little kind of

507
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,080
farmer's cottagey thing um just to do

508
00:18:34,950 --> 00:18:31,760
like a burley as we would call it in the

509
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:34,960
uk but i cannot turn in the road and

510
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:35,679
the

511
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:39,760
just drove into a random house and i

512
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,120
said i'm really sorry i'm just turning

513
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:43,120
around because there's something along

514
00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:45,120
the road and i'd miss my turn off and i

515
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:46,480
remember the guy looked along and he

516
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:48,160
just went all right and i went there's

517
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:50,080
just something hovering above the trees

518
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:52,000
and he saw it and he said oh yeah it

519
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:53,520
just shows you that there's something

520
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:55,360
else out there anybody had a good night

521
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:57,679
and he walked back at his house

522
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:59,440
and i was just like anyway so my wife

523
00:19:03,909 --> 00:19:01,679
heard this i pulled out and as i look

524
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:03,919
along the road i see this thing start to

525
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,559
move off diagonally over the trees

526
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:08,160
another light had come on in the front

527
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,840
of it and i spoke to david mahler who

528
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,520
has like an authority on on black

529
00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:13,840
triangular ufos and i told him about

530
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:15,520
this third light that had come on the

531
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:16,799
front piece

532
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:18,960
and it was flashing really sporadically

533
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,600
but didn't seem to have a pattern to it

534
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:23,280
and as it moved away just diagonally

535
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,799
over the trees it disappeared and he

536
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,720
said he'd never heard of that kind of

537
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,640
it's usually three solid lights or you

538
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:30,880
know laughing lights but just one it

539
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,640
moved over i drove back along the road

540
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,400
to where it would be a huge expanse and

541
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,000
i'd be able to see it and there was

542
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,880
nothing there so that and i remember i

543
00:19:42,549 --> 00:19:40,160
got home

544
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:42,559
and um again my wife was just standing

545
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,720
listening to me rick out this this story

546
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:46,559
and what i'd seen and she just said you

547
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:47,679
know what i wish you could do this for a

548
00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:49,919
living and just talk about ufos and

549
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:51,440
because you seem to be so passionate

550
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:53,120
about it and i was unidentified had been

551
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,400
on and all that kind of stuff so you

552
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:56,240
know right yeah i'd try to get to watch

553
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,400
bits of that and uh yeah a few months

554
00:20:02,230 --> 00:19:59,919
later with covert and everything else i

555
00:20:03,750 --> 00:20:02,240
decided to start a podcast and off of

556
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:03,760
all of that i was like you know what

557
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:06,400
it's football or ufos and ufos one out

558
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:10,480
so here we are 30th november 2021.

559
00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,039
amazing absolutely amazing

560
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,200
dan what about you i think we you might

561
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:17,280
have mentioned them on this show before

562
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,080
but

563
00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,000
just refresh us about any sightings that

564
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:22,320
you may have had

565
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:24,080
so if you don't mind

566
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:28,799
i i partake in the odd ce5 so i spend a

567
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,200
lot of time out kind of stargazing and

568
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,720
trying all that stuff out and kind of

569
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,400
seeing how it feels and what results i

570
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,159
get and things like that and i have a

571
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:38,559
long running list of just

572
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,320
strange things i've seen in the sky

573
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:42,559
after going out and doing these things

574
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:43,440
and

575
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,919
my favorite just because it broke my

576
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:47,520
head as it was happening just because

577
00:20:50,789 --> 00:20:49,919
when you see something move like that

578
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,799
just

579
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:52,960
it's not ours i don't care what anyone

580
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,840
says like things don't move that way um

581
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,520
so i was basically in the garden i have

582
00:21:02,310 --> 00:20:59,600
like a sun lounger that i just lay on at

583
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:02,320
nighttime when the the skies are clear

584
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:03,120
and

585
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,880
i was watching it basically i thought it

586
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,960
was a satellite it was just a straight

587
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:08,960
line and it kind of came all the way up

588
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,799
and just right at the top it stopped

589
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:15,200
and i was like did i thought did is that

590
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,440
stopped or am i just you know if i

591
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,200
blanked for a second and at that point

592
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:20,880
it started falling and i'm going to kind

593
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,799
of try and do it but basically

594
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:25,520
like a leaf just kind of wafting side to

595
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,880
side and it did that all the way from

596
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,400
the top until i couldn't see it over the

597
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:29,760
horizon again

598
00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:32,640
and you just i'm baffled i'm absolutely

599
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,400
baffled by stuff like that because

600
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,480
that's not even

601
00:21:41,750 --> 00:21:39,280
you know that that's not

602
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,760
going from point a to point b in a split

603
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:43,679
second or something like that that's

604
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,880
just this really eerie uncanny you know

605
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,640
it looked like i was looking at a glitch

606
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,880
or something

607
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:53,039
yeah that's so strange and i mean we've

608
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:54,640
had conversations about it many times

609
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,360
that you do spend a lot of time outside

610
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,600
at night looking up so

611
00:22:01,990 --> 00:22:00,880
yeah

612
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,000
how do you

613
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,240
quantify something like that that you

614
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,159
know

615
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:08,320
there's no satellite or object that can

616
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,120
do that or a bird or anything no time

617
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,520
and i look the satellites up just on the

618
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:16,000
off chance you know that i'm mistaken

619
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:17,679
and there's this crazy nude leaf falling

620
00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:20,480
like technology but um nope you know

621
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,679
just

622
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,280
what's that that's what i'm left with

623
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,760
and that's why i find myself kind of

624
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,320
you know always

625
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:29,840
i guess trying to help

626
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,919
in whatever way i can

627
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,840
yeah that's so strange

628
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,320
thank you for that uh let's move on to

629
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:37,600
discuss

630
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:40,400
uap media uk

631
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:42,559
now you two are kind of part of the

632
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,760
founding group of it so

633
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,840
can you talk to us about

634
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,559
how it came about who decided it just

635
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,919
like talk us through it andy's got a

636
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:54,480
lovely grin on his face

637
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,280
yeah

638
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:57,120
dan remembers the full uncensored

639
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,799
conversation that i'll no don't have to

640
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,760
stay

641
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:01,919
most mostly classified you know we can't

642
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,960
discuss that we'll give you a

643
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,960
luelezzondo answer

644
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,559
how can i put this without you know

645
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:09,120
incriminating myself no um

646
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,720
i i was frustrated about um

647
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:14,640
this is what last summer dan just after

648
00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:16,000
the summer maybe

649
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,799
um and i i was frustrated about um a

650
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:19,760
certain

651
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,720
kind of

652
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,200
uk uk-based personality nothing against

653
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:24,960
them that that was going to be appearing

654
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,440
on talk sport radio

655
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,039
and it was going to be talk radio at

656
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,120
first talk sports quite a big radio

657
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,200
station here in the uk for for anyone in

658
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:36,320
the us and other countries um and they

659
00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:38,400
were going to be on like a really busy

660
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:40,799
afternoon show that would be hell heard

661
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:44,240
more than likely by a million plus um

662
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,440
and

663
00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:48,400
oh it's really frustrating they're going

664
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:50,000
to be on the show

665
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,679
they're going to sound absolutely crazy

666
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:53,440
because they don't present themselves

667
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,000
well the story they have i'm not saying

668
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,799
it's not true but if i had to sit on one

669
00:24:03,029 --> 00:24:01,440
side of the fence i would air with other

670
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,039
issues being at play as opposed to it

671
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,279
being something truly kind of phenomenon

672
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:08,480
based but um and that's that's based on

673
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:10,960
having seen a presentation they've done

674
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,200
some time before that and anyway

675
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:14,880
and from the early days of the podcast i

676
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,679
told dan all about that one so

677
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:19,840
i then heard they were being moved to a

678
00:24:24,390 --> 00:24:22,240
late night slot further interview and it

679
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,400
was going to be on like a i suppose

680
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,400
shock jock type um

681
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,400
london cabbies listen to it 10 p.m till

682
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:30,960
1 a.m the sports bar chat and it would

683
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,400
be a good conversation

684
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,840
but they're going to have a lot of fun

685
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,440
with it and again just with the

686
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:37,679
character they were interviewing i just

687
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,279
thought this is going to go really badly

688
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,679
and this is the problem with the uk ufo

689
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,640
subject that it's all a piss take and a

690
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:47,360
laugh and let's make fun of it and it

691
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,279
would be a great show i i would love to

692
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,120
get on there to talk about ufos because

693
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,360
i know the tone they're looking for i

694
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,039
know what they want to talk about i know

695
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,960
how they want to talk about it but i

696
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,799
absolutely know there are certain people

697
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,120
and i put myself in that bracket that

698
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,480
could turn them around on the

699
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:05,039
conversation including the million plus

700
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:06,960
people listening to it not for me to go

701
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,120
on and say oh listen to that ufo podcast

702
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,679
but no no listen let's talk about ufos

703
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:13,520
let's take the conversation back to

704
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,200
basics forget about the green men the

705
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,640
flying saucers

706
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,760
kinda

707
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:19,120
and let's let's talk and i think it

708
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:20,640
could be a really fun conversation and

709
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,440
get more people involved but

710
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:25,760
um so this guy eventually went on got

711
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,400
ripped to shreds he sounded crazy it's

712
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,840
the kind of conversations that you don't

713
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,679
want people hearing just off the cuff

714
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,679
it's too much too much detail and it

715
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:35,360
gets a bit dark and sinister at times as

716
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:36,799
well so

717
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,400
in a conversation with dan i said it

718
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:40,480
would be great if we had something that

719
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:43,600
we could present as an option to the uk

720
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,640
media

721
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:45,679
um

722
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:47,200
and it was just like you know yeah dan

723
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:48,640
agreed he had the same kind of ideas

724
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:51,760
same thoughts just a resource that and

725
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,880
we didn't have a whole lot of planning

726
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,760
and it

727
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,279
grew quite organically which i suppose

728
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:58,000
the podcast has as well um

729
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,320
and the idea was look if we could build

730
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,720
something that journalists at first the

731
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:04,159
idea was if they just reach out that

732
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,760
they want someone to talk about ufos

733
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:07,919
from a uk point of view here's this guy

734
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,440
who's got a podcast and here's this guy

735
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,760
who's an activist and obviously dave was

736
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:14,080
involved early on as well and adam

737
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,600
and we've got different expertise

738
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,919
someone could comment that's it or point

739
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,840
someone in the right direction and

740
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,000
honestly the guys do a lot of work in

741
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,760
the background now including graham and

742
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,320
yourself funny as well that doesn't get

743
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,320
any shouting about they don't ask for

744
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,480
people who shout about it um and i mean

745
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,480
that's from from your lot

746
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,320
and that there are there's a great

747
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,080
database there now for journalists that

748
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,679
want to take the subject seriously to

749
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,640
use

750
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:40,880
and that that was the whole idea behind

751
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:42,159
it

752
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,200
um

753
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,120
and and we've had some success from that

754
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,360
where people are getting in touch and

755
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,799
you know people have asked about why

756
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,039
don't you do a uk big phone home we're a

757
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,640
million miles away from that but we're

758
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,559
at the point where people at grassroots

759
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,480
level are able to get in touch with

760
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,440
local politicians um they're able to at

761
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,760
least get involved in writing to people

762
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,840
emailing people and i know our friend

763
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,159
dan earlier sean cahill mentioned that

764
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,240
writing sorry emailing and calling is

765
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,880
one thing but you still can't be writing

766
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,120
a letter and putting a stamp on it and

767
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:15,039
posting it to representatives at any

768
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:16,960
level because i think that probably does

769
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,360
have a bit more impact these days

770
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,880
because you'll get a million emails but

771
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,200
you'll get so few letters so again just

772
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,039
just little things like that and and uap

773
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:27,120
media has been we never had like a big

774
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:29,120
launch or anything it just it was just

775
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:30,640
there one day it was just like we're

776
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,399
kind of ready to go and things were

777
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,880
happening already and we just let it let

778
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:36,640
it be it just kind of one of those

779
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:38,159
little boats we pushed out in the water

780
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:39,760
and just went off you go

781
00:27:43,750 --> 00:27:42,159
and it's just kind of it's been there so

782
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,760
and along the way obviously you've came

783
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,919
on board graham's came on board for a

784
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,679
while chris sharp came on board and he's

785
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,440
been off to do his liberation time stuff

786
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,600
which is going really well um

787
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,440
so yeah it's just it's just a good

788
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,679
resource for the uk and i just hope that

789
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,799
in 2022 as as things kind of heat up in

790
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,720
the us we get some more journalists from

791
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:03,520
a uk point of view taking advantage of

792
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:05,039
of not only the resources that are on

793
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:06,720
the website and everything as well uap

794
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:08,399
media dot uk

795
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,679
but also

796
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,679
of the people involved in the group and

797
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:13,760
we're getting the name and more

798
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,600
newspapers and correspondence and i'd

799
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,520
love to see it move from the sun and the

800
00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:19,840
daily star to to more reputable

801
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:21,760
newspapers as well so

802
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,320
no absolutely thanks for that yeah

803
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,760
i think

804
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,440
the first time i came across it actually

805
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,279
funnily enough was

806
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,960
george knapp

807
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,720
so you say that you just like put it out

808
00:28:35,430 --> 00:28:34,000
there you didn't have a big reveal or

809
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,440
anything and you let it grow organically

810
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,679
but it must have moved pretty quickly

811
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:39,840
because that nap thing was quite a while

812
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,559
ago how did that come about

813
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:44,000
dan do you remember how the nap thing

814
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:45,279
came about

815
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,559
uh basically uh they got in touch with

816
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,399
dave um

817
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,039
and asked if we wanted to come on and we

818
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,799
we accepted you know dave asked the

819
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,320
question but he already knew our answers

820
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,399
let's be honest um

821
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:00,559
and yeah that was really surreal to go

822
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:03,760
to talk to you know a guy that

823
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,760
i've watched countless hours of him

824
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,520
presenting all sorts of things you know

825
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,520
not just his uap stuff i like his

826
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:11,760
journalism style and

827
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,960
yeah kind of a pinch me moment um but

828
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,640
really cool to see

829
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,919
how

830
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,440
an established personality in the

831
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:21,840
community can be supportive of new

832
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:24,480
efforts um and promote them

833
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,279
i find some sometimes in the community

834
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,840
there's there's a little bit of like

835
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,000
you know the old guard kind of kind of

836
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:34,080
thing going on um

837
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:35,919
and and it's a shame because we can

838
00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:37,520
always do more together than we can do a

839
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,200
pass and and

840
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:41,120
it makes me sad to

841
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,320
to lose

842
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,840
good people and good resources you know

843
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,919
at one point if any at one point that

844
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,080
old guard were the young guys coming up

845
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:52,240
and the young girls coming up and i

846
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,600
think a lot of that seems to have been

847
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:55,440
forgotten by most

848
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,799
and that's where people like george

849
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,159
knapp not to call him the old guard

850
00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:59,919
because he's one of the most relevant in

851
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:02,559
the business still um he's he's kept up

852
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,240
with the times and kept kind of changing

853
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,080
and keeping on top of the subject and

854
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,120
his reporting and i think that

855
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,720
there's a lot of that that's forgotten

856
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:12,159
that you know what let's help the next

857
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:13,440
lot coming through

858
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,240
um

859
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,679
and i think a lot of that's due to

860
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,919
narrative that that doesn't suit what we

861
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,600
do and you know what i suppose to a

862
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,880
lesser extent you see it within

863
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,399
podcasting and i'm sure

864
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,559
magazines and blogs and youtubers and

865
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,799
stuff like that as well where

866
00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:28,960
it you see people that are similar to

867
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:30,320
yourself

868
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,279
so

869
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:33,200
let's get them on board

870
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,559
and there's different ways of doing that

871
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,399
and i get people appreciate their own

872
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,799
voice and okay they could replace me or

873
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,720
they can be what i want to be rather

874
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,080
than people just everyone getting

875
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,799
involved and speaking to each other and

876
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:45,760
um

877
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,679
like you're part of your ap media and

878
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:49,120
you've got this platform it's not like

879
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,880
oh well andy's got a podcast so we can't

880
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,799
have vinnie on

881
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,960
no no it's like that's that's that's not

882
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,159
the point that's not the argument that's

883
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,159
not why people are doing this so it's

884
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:01,039
kind of there's a big audience and again

885
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:03,760
again that that older older school the

886
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,640
same names same voices same faces

887
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,919
there's and it's good to see and i think

888
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:09,440
that's why we've got audiences and

889
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:11,200
that's why the people that are in this

890
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:13,200
chat just now are there and the people

891
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,960
watching this now are listening to it

892
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,279
tomorrow next week and 10 years time are

893
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:18,960
going to be there because they want to

894
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,240
hear a different

895
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:22,080
voice or a different opinion or a fresh

896
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,960
take

897
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,640
because and i've said this before and

898
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,720
it's no slight at all to the people who

899
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,559
were involved in this subject in the 70s

900
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,720
80s 90s and 2000s

901
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,399
there's a lot of people involved

902
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:34,080
where not a whole lot of progress was

903
00:31:37,029 --> 00:31:34,960
made

904
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:37,039
or maybe not as much as has happened the

905
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:39,679
last few years and i think some of those

906
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,840
people don't like that

907
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,120
and that's not that i've made the

908
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,200
progress other people have done that and

909
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,279
loyola's ondo chris mellon and those and

910
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,720
people like george knapp have kept kind

911
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,720
of pushing and like him or not jeremy

912
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,720
corbell with the work he's done

913
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,000
but i think there's there's a kind of

914
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,080
jealousy there with a lot of that and it

915
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,000
doesn't fit the book that someone

916
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,480
released 20 years ago anymore so they

917
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,720
they choose to push it as decent info or

918
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:04,880
you know it doesn't fit the the

919
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:08,159
narrative of the 3 000 camps where the

920
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,320
drop flares off the coast so again it's

921
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,559
this info and threat narratives and

922
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,399
everything else there's a conversation

923
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:16,559
there for everyone and that old guard

924
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,320
stuff does frustrate me because like i

925
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,320
said the long way to say the same thing

926
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,919
that they were once the young guys and

927
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:23,919
girls coming up and it'd be nice to kind

928
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,840
of work together a little bit more

929
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,679
absolutely well said man i really really

930
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,279
appreciate that makes

931
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,720
yeah i think about that a lot actually

932
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,840
you know there doesn't need to be a

933
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,519
disconnect between

934
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,039
them that have been before and us

935
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,360
they're here now that there can be so

936
00:32:40,230 --> 00:32:39,360
much collaboration and

937
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,240
help

938
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,240
from those those people you know there

939
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:44,399
are people that really engage with me

940
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:45,679
personally i'm gonna give a shout out

941
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:48,720
right now to chase klutzky she is so

942
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,120
behind this this younger generation that

943
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,519
are doing it and and really goes out of

944
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,039
her way to show the support and you know

945
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,640
she's been doing this for a long time

946
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,240
and there are many many other people but

947
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,919
chase just jumped straight into my mind

948
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:01,519
right then um

949
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,679
like i said there's so many others um so

950
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:05,120
yeah i'm just gonna give a quick shout

951
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,039
out to my brother thank you for the

952
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,640
super sticker disclosure bro laura sosa

953
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,000
thank you for the four dollar super

954
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,120
sticker all donations do go back into

955
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:17,919
this channel they don't just go on

956
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,760
red wine

957
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,640
[Laughter]

958
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,960
um i saw an interesting point here this

959
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:25,120
is quite a cool one who is the british

960
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,600
ross coulthard where is he

961
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:30,559
or she i know what i don't see i i think

962
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,389
wait what do you think i would say

963
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,399
well

964
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,640
i i thought you would say hh

965
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:42,799
that's exactly what i was gonna say

966
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:46,320
oh no no no no okay good because i i was

967
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,559
my first instinct was to say uh was to

968
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,399
say graham randall is the closest thing

969
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:52,799
we have probably um

970
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,399
he has like this huge encyclopedic

971
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,960
knowledge and i know i know he's not

972
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,720
a journalist and you know he hasn't been

973
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,960
on 60 minutes and things like that but

974
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,039
um i think he's about to have a very

975
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,440
successful few years um

976
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,679
because he he's just in the same way as

977
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,280
ross did

978
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,599
graham went to the sources and dug

979
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,359
through them and took the time and i

980
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:15,919
have a lot of respect for that because

981
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,560
they're not concerned with whether what

982
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:20,560
they find it fits a narrative they're

983
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:22,079
concerned with

984
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,520
getting the information out and talking

985
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,679
about it um

986
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,159
i'm certain if there were files to find

987
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:30,639
in the uk that the graham would probably

988
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,720
be like a bloodhound with them

989
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:36,720
i concur completely but here's graham

990
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:38,560
now saying there is no british ross

991
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,760
culture yeah it said said like a secret

992
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,159
british ross coltar right there you go

993
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,720
absolutely absolutely

994
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,589
i reached out to

995
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,679
a young journalist for the glasgow

996
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,159
evening times who had written a couple

997
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,160
of articles and it was that same jokey

998
00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,240
tone and but with within their social

999
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,760
media they had pointed out how much of

1000
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:04,240
an interest they have in the ufo subject

1001
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,520
and and you can just tell from the

1002
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:07,599
writing and and the way they talk about

1003
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,240
it on social media they don't they they

1004
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:12,560
like the idea of aliens that's what they

1005
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,280
like

1006
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,160
i mentioned here's uap media uk and

1007
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,079
here's some resources i know some people

1008
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,480
you could talk to um

1009
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,920
and you know if you wanted to speak to

1010
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,599
any of us give us a shout we'd be more

1011
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,280
than happy to help because that that

1012
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,119
paper still got a decent circulation in

1013
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,040
glasgow and she was like oh yeah that

1014
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:30,640
would be great yeah blah blah blah

1015
00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:31,680
nothing

1016
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,440
and then she released another article

1017
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:35,359
with the same

1018
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:38,160
alien hunters and you know flying

1019
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,760
saucers and everything else and it was

1020
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:41,040
just like that that's it there's no

1021
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,160
interesting

1022
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,680
no interest in that and it's a shame

1023
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,720
because

1024
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,200
there's a huge story there and for any

1025
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,720
journalists who want to be those

1026
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,560
award-winning getting ahead of the

1027
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,040
carving stories first it might not be a

1028
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,800
sexy story at the minute but if you're

1029
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,160
the first one to really build up that

1030
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,240
database and reputation and grab the

1031
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,320
bill by the horns and say you know what

1032
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,480
i i want to get stuck on this i know the

1033
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,000
assignment might be laughed at but i'll

1034
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:06,320
persist i really think they would they

1035
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,320
would get some fruit from the end of it

1036
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,240
um and i'm not saying it it'll be oh

1037
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:12,000
yeah they'll get the disclosure story

1038
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:13,520
but i really think it will get to a

1039
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,520
point where they would be the go-to

1040
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,839
person for it and they would have a back

1041
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,839
archive of all these great articles and

1042
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,520
pieces that have been done and i think

1043
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:23,200
that's where dan mentions people at

1044
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,560
graham

1045
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,800
and adam that writes stuff on the uap

1046
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,040
media website and others who do those

1047
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,800
types of blogs too

1048
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,240
there's a great catalogue of work

1049
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,280
already there i look at joe margia who

1050
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,440
does a hell of a lot of work for very

1051
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,440
little recompense and i know he works

1052
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,760
full-time as well around it but to

1053
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,920
transcribe the things he does as well

1054
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,680
there's so much information people are

1055
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,599
going out their way to put online

1056
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,760
including podcast youtube magazines

1057
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,520
everything else there's a wealth of

1058
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,839
stuff there that i just wish somebody in

1059
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,400
the uk would grab the bill by the horns

1060
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,119
at a reputable paper as great as graham

1061
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,720
is he doesn't work for the telegraph for

1062
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,720
the guardian probably should but he

1063
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:04,079
doesn't and it'd be great for one of

1064
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,359
those journalists to kind of take that

1065
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,520
on board and run with it so hopefully

1066
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,119
next year's that year that someone picks

1067
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:10,400
up

1068
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,400
i will though i will i and i feel like i

1069
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,079
have to give a shout out to henry

1070
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:16,400
holland who is the guy that writes about

1071
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,480
the subject for the sub newspaper

1072
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:20,240
holloway holland holland henry holland

1073
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,790
he's the writer for the sun now the sun

1074
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:28,720
gets such a bad rep

1075
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:31,040
i can i can fully understand why

1076
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,480
but he has really taken it on board to

1077
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,720
contact people to get the story straight

1078
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,880
get the information straight the only

1079
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,800
downside to his stories or the headlines

1080
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,119
are still a bit click-baity but you know

1081
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,040
i can see past that if the information

1082
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:46,960
within the article is correct so henry

1083
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:48,320
holloway

1084
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,200
shout out yeah definitely

1085
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,800
i i think there's there's something to

1086
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,040
be said as well like with

1087
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:57,119
you know unidentified exists

1088
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,359
but demi lovato's show still would have

1089
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,720
brought people to the subject that

1090
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,800
wouldn't have otherwise engaged with it

1091
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,720
and and i think in the same way you know

1092
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:06,079
it would be great to see an article in

1093
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,200
the telegraph or the guardian or

1094
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,440
something like that but

1095
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:10,960
there are a lot of people that don't

1096
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,200
read those papers you know and and i

1097
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,520
think for the audience that the sun has

1098
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,599
i think henry manages to strike a good

1099
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,680
tone between you know having a bit of

1100
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:20,800
fun with it

1101
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:23,520
and and actually informing people and

1102
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,880
there's a couple of other writers at the

1103
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,520
paper that that do lesser jobs

1104
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,599
and i think really highlight

1105
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:31,599
the good work that henry is doing you

1106
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,160
know he's someone i would describe as an

1107
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,400
ally in in our cause

1108
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:38,240
yeah absolutely

1109
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,480
i just want to give a shout out to

1110
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:42,560
a very good friend of the show and

1111
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,320
myself personally miss

1112
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,800
sorry mrs lara sandling bennett thank

1113
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:49,119
you so much lara for the five dollars

1114
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,560
she says i know we have only spoken

1115
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,079
through chat but i'm so happy to be a

1116
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,920
part of this group of people keep up the

1117
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:56,240
great work gentlemen lara you just being

1118
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,240
here all the time consistently and

1119
00:39:02,630 --> 00:39:00,400
interacting with us through social media

1120
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:02,640
and this show is exactly one of the big

1121
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,480
reasons why i do it so thank you for

1122
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:06,160
being a part of this community it really

1123
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,520
it really does

1124
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,839
all add up to push the story and the

1125
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:11,839
conversation forward so thank you so

1126
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,839
much

1127
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,079
um let's move on gentlemen i wanted to

1128
00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,400
talk about private entities so we're

1129
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,280
talking galileo project uapx and things

1130
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,280
like that because we do talk a lot about

1131
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:25,440
the government and which i'm happy to do

1132
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:26,240
i

1133
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,079
more about

1134
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,079
outside entities what do you guys think

1135
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,560
who do you see being ahead of the game

1136
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,520
or

1137
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:40,960
could we see

1138
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,480
good information coming from

1139
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,400
dan do you want to go first

1140
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,480
i was that's the same to you um i i

1141
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,000
would say

1142
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:52,800
two two places that i currently am

1143
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,560
watching would be project galileo um

1144
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,640
because not just because of their their

1145
00:40:01,430 --> 00:40:00,079
mission statement and what they're doing

1146
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,440
you know taking the search for

1147
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,000
extraterrestrial life seriously

1148
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,000
looking at um you know interstellar

1149
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,920
objects that travel into our solar

1150
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,160
system as well as keeping an open mind

1151
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,079
and saying hey maybe something has come

1152
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:14,079
down here before we this is what people

1153
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,520
have been seeing let's take it seriously

1154
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:17,280
let's try and get a photograph there's

1155
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:18,480
nothing there's nothing but let's

1156
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,240
science it you know um the expertise

1157
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:24,880
behind that project is ridiculous um you

1158
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,520
you had erlang strand on the the a few

1159
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:29,599
days back and

1160
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:31,440
project has allen

1161
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,550
kind of almost the

1162
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,800
the proto project galileo you know they

1163
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:40,319
have that cool blue box there with a

1164
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,079
bunch of different um

1165
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,880
uh sensors and things like that and um

1166
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:46,720
and when they were running that back

1167
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,160
when they were doing their studies you

1168
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,920
could access that over the internet but

1169
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:52,400
it was you know potato camera quality

1170
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,359
um

1171
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,960
and it was still fascinating to watch

1172
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:57,359
but you couldn't get much from it

1173
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,480
whereas

1174
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,960
thinking about how you know hairstyle

1175
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,560
and in the work there

1176
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:04,079
and in other places around the world

1177
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:05,359
because they did similar studies for

1178
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:06,800
like the brown map lights and things

1179
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,800
like that um

1180
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:10,640
what that would look like in modern day

1181
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,760
is very very exciting you know we we

1182
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,680
have if you just look at your mobile

1183
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,560
phone

1184
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:18,319
there are things in there

1185
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,520
that

1186
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,000
they they're just beyond the for example

1187
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,000
on my phone i have lida i used it to

1188
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,000
measure a room earlier

1189
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,800
that was made for the march rover to see

1190
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,040
around and now it's just in my phone in

1191
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,119
my pocket and it wasn't even a selling

1192
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,359
point like that's how casual this stuff

1193
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,960
is um

1194
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,640
so i'm really excited to see what

1195
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,480
project galileo gets with all that kind

1196
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,800
of enhancement and then the other place

1197
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,119
just because of a few things i've heard

1198
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,480
about them um would be uapx

1199
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:52,870
i i've been

1200
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,480
oh some some footage has been teased

1201
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,400
i'll say um

1202
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:59,359
where

1203
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,960
they apparently

1204
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,200
did something and got a reaction and

1205
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:04,960
they did it again and got a reaction

1206
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,000
consistently um it looks like they

1207
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,800
filmed it on flea cams um

1208
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,920
i don't want to say too much because i

1209
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,280
don't know what it is i don't know you

1210
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,200
know the context or anything like that

1211
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,560
but i'm sure when they're ready to share

1212
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:18,480
they will but i'm really looking forward

1213
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,440
to that because yeah it it seems to me

1214
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,040
that they've been doing some work around

1215
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,760
catalina trying to get some some footage

1216
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,119
of

1217
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:30,240
something from the hotspot

1218
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,119
nice

1219
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,720
yeah i look forward to that what about

1220
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,640
you andy who do you see coming out with

1221
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,880
any interesting data if you had to

1222
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,119
speculate let's say

1223
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,040
so

1224
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,119
i suppose you've got to look at those

1225
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,200
two groups and then a third one i'll

1226
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,920
throw one in a second you apx gary

1227
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:49,520
voorhees really nice guy first guest

1228
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,280
i've ever had on the podcast if he

1229
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:53,599
hadn't came on maybe it never takes off

1230
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,069
i know there's been some issues around

1231
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:01,920
people who were involved with the apx

1232
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,119
and then became uninvolved with uapx and

1233
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,720
there's some controversies as to people

1234
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,440
still involved with uapx

1235
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,040
and that's that's up to those guys to

1236
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,800
deal with themselves they've got their

1237
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,240
own backgrounds and that there are

1238
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:16,319
adults who can make these decisions

1239
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,359
um

1240
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,520
i suppose my interest from when i spoke

1241
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,119
to steve and green street stephen green

1242
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,119
street said in speaking to or spending

1243
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,520
some time with uapx he had seen some

1244
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,359
evidence and he just said well let's

1245
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,440
just say it wasn't pixelated and it was

1246
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:31,680
from the source as well um which was

1247
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:35,359
interesting but like i said to dan

1248
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,400
i'm torn between if i'm you apx and i

1249
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,960
have something pretty great or any

1250
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,640
organization and i capture something

1251
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,079
pretty fantastic

1252
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:45,839
do i a

1253
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,200
release it straightaway almost asap if i

1254
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,960
have a really good photo or just

1255
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,960
something to get people on board

1256
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:55,359
or do i hang on to it for months and

1257
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,720
months and months and months and months

1258
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,359
for whatever reason

1259
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,839
it's a hard one same with like

1260
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,119
the third one i was going to mention

1261
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,599
other than galileo was skin walker ranch

1262
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:07,040
because again it's the same thing that

1263
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:09,280
they're filming a tv show and if they

1264
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,839
truly captured something incredible are

1265
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,200
they really going to sit on it for six

1266
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,720
months until the history channel decided

1267
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,720
to put it out in episode three of the

1268
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:18,000
new season

1269
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:19,040
or

1270
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:20,720
do they release this groundbreaking

1271
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,440
world-changing video or data whatever it

1272
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,680
might be so that's always a really

1273
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,599
awkward one it kind of play about with

1274
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,470
i wish you apx had maybe more backing

1275
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,880
than it does or some other names

1276
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,280
attached like galileo does to

1277
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,440
to really have me 100 percent bought

1278
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:40,720
into the group but i really am

1279
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,880
interested to see what they do and is it

1280
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,880
tearing the sky is the the name of the

1281
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:46,240
the project yeah coming out with the

1282
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,400
documentaries yeah yeah i really look

1283
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:49,920
forward to seeing that and pushing that

1284
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,640
for them when it comes out as well um

1285
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,640
people should follow gary verhees on on

1286
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,240
youtube and he wants more followers to

1287
00:45:00,069 --> 00:44:58,160
do more lives which again would benefit

1288
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,079
the community um

1289
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:02,720
but yeah project galileo

1290
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,440
the only issue then who cares about my

1291
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:07,760
issues with it i'm not part of it but

1292
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,720
the only thing that i'm a little bit uh

1293
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,960
are all some of the names attached

1294
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,800
and it's one on one hand you say look at

1295
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,720
all these great names but on the other

1296
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,319
hand look at some of these not so great

1297
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,119
names that are managed today just like

1298
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:24,160
yeah and nick pope and all that

1299
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,079
it's almost like almost anyone who's

1300
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,640
anyone is is joining the club

1301
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,040
and i just i've not seen yet why that's

1302
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,800
being allowed to happen yes there's

1303
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,400
someone said in the chat before stay

1304
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,319
skeptical absolutely always stay

1305
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,480
skeptical always look at the facts the

1306
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,079
data make up your own mind don't let

1307
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,480
other people convince you um listen to

1308
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,920
everyone but make up your own mind is

1309
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:46,079
something i've always said but there

1310
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:48,720
just seems to be a lot of

1311
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,480
cooks stirring that pot just now and

1312
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,280
how how much can

1313
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,760
can avi we all think avi seems to run it

1314
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,520
i don't know that's necessarily true i

1315
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,480
think he's the the face of it but

1316
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,040
who is steering that if it's savvy

1317
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,359
then great but he's also got 50 people

1318
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,520
behind number 100 people behind him all

1319
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,079
with various inputs and donations and

1320
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,480
levels of expertise and

1321
00:46:17,670 --> 00:46:16,240
shouting different directions

1322
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:17,680
and then you've got your session stacks

1323
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,359
at the back as well who are

1324
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,880
clinging on to the life raft at the back

1325
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,560
of the boat so

1326
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,000
it's a funny one some of the names we've

1327
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,880
got attached to it as well but

1328
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,359
do i think excuse me one second while i

1329
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,030
professional muting their professional

1330
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,280
meeting thanks um

1331
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,520
i i really wish one of these groups are

1332
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,280
the ones that come out with the big

1333
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:43,280
photo or video i don't think that's

1334
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:44,480
going to happen but i think what they

1335
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:47,680
can do is contribute data and contribute

1336
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:50,000
equipment if it's going to be telescopes

1337
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,520
if it's going to be sonar if it's going

1338
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,599
to be you know someone's got a car

1339
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,880
that's all tricked out if it's going to

1340
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,480
be someone's got a nice boat with lots

1341
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:58,960
of cool equipment on it then great

1342
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,640
it just seems sensible that they would

1343
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,720
be working together rather than

1344
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,800
in in lots of separate groups hopefully

1345
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,560
they are in touch with each other behind

1346
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,280
the scenes um as well but

1347
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,760
i don't know i i don't see it being

1348
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,440
those kind of groups and as much as some

1349
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:14,960
people don't like this i really do think

1350
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:17,359
just now the

1351
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,880
the political side of things is what's

1352
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,040
kind of steering seeing our worship and

1353
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,800
i've got a bit of hope and faith that we

1354
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:25,359
get something comes from the the

1355
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:29,119
congressional stuff in the ndaa so

1356
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,880
fair enough i think it's good good to

1357
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,640
feel positive about that i certainly do

1358
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,920
a little bit i just

1359
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,800
i do chuck

1360
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,680
one other project in there um

1361
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,319
gary nolan and jack valet and their

1362
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,839
material studies

1363
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:44,720
um

1364
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:47,280
they're apparently near

1365
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:48,240
um

1366
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:50,160
you know the the paper was out for peer

1367
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:52,559
review um it shouldn't be too long now

1368
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,079
before we see these surface and

1369
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,720
it's when when everybody got excited

1370
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,200
about jack vale's trinity book this is

1371
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,160
what they thought that was um

1372
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,319
and and now we'll actually be getting

1373
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,000
the material results we'll be seeing

1374
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,920
what other scientists say about them and

1375
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:11,280
they may not say they're

1376
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,040
extraterrestrial

1377
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:15,280
but they could say we know for a fact

1378
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,720
they're not from this planet and they

1379
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,400
were found in something that looked like

1380
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,040
the machine you know it'll be a vague

1381
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,960
kind of things like that you know

1382
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,640
something fell off the thing in the sky

1383
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,720
we tested it it doesn't seem to be from

1384
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,640
here we're not saying what that means

1385
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,839
we're just saying

1386
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,040
you know

1387
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,599
let's approach this with an open mind um

1388
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:35,200
i feel like a lot of advancements are

1389
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:36,800
gonna start coming from that train of

1390
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,440
thinking um and

1391
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,440
everyone's kind of expecting you know

1392
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,160
the disclosure train when actually we're

1393
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,160
gonna have the uap train we're gonna

1394
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,400
have the kind of the consciousness train

1395
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,599
that comes from our studies of

1396
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,599
psychedelics that are exploding we're

1397
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,720
going to have

1398
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:55,119
um the train of four-year documents that

1399
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,559
people are gathering and talking about

1400
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,920
because the world's connected now and

1401
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,280
you can send these things to each other

1402
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:01,599
super fast um

1403
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,760
yeah we're just gonna have so all these

1404
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,119
different technologies are gonna come

1405
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,119
together and contribute to our

1406
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,960
understanding of this phenomena it's

1407
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:11,200
it's super exciting and

1408
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,800
and yeah it all starts here tell your

1409
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,839
friends

1410
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,400
or or it could be something totally out

1411
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,760
of the blue but we've got all these you

1412
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,520
know like the the race but everyone's

1413
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:21,280
climbing over each other but the little

1414
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:22,559
turquoise just comes up you weren't

1415
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,640
expecting to win it and imagine one of

1416
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,200
these jeff bezos trips into space or

1417
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,240
virgin galactic or spacex before it goes

1418
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,559
bust um and they're in space and they're

1419
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,319
on a live cam and something just appears

1420
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,000
really clear on camera

1421
00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,920
like we could end up with something like

1422
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:40,319
ah there you go there's your proof

1423
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,280
unlikely but you don't know it's

1424
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,800
it's an interesting one but i think it's

1425
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,319
like irony

1426
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,839
yeah yeah absolutely i can see it

1427
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,680
letting us spend like 100 billion on a

1428
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,200
search and then it's just going oh no it

1429
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:52,960
was actually next to the telescope lens

1430
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,559
this whole time it was just super tiny

1431
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,480
you couldn't see it you know

1432
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,000
that's what

1433
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:59,599
it could be something completely left

1434
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:01,119
field that nobody's even thought or

1435
00:50:05,910 --> 00:50:03,280
considered just one day

1436
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,920
comes into the public domain it could

1437
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,680
well be could well be i'm just gonna

1438
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,359
give a shout out to my brother benji

1439
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,280
thank you for the two dollars benji

1440
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,200
mad respect for you gents mad respect

1441
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,280
for youtube brother you are

1442
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:17,520
you're another force in this subject so

1443
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,880
thank you my man

1444
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,760
um

1445
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,520
i wanted to finish off for the next last

1446
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:23,359
sort of 10 15 minutes or so doing some

1447
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,880
kind of quick fire favorites so let's

1448
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:28,559
start with

1449
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:32,960
your favorite ufo case historically

1450
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:40,309
so i i'm particularly fond of one uh in

1451
00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,480
wales uh broadhaven

1452
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:44,400
um i'm very much like aerial school

1453
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,830
sighting

1454
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:47,599
[Laughter]

1455
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,880
just to wind you up yeah i'm sorry

1456
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,280
um basically what you've heard about

1457
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,160
ariel um it happened in a primary school

1458
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,680
in south wales as well it's an

1459
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,280
absolutely fascinating case just give it

1460
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,040
a search broadhaven i won't go into too

1461
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,960
many details because the shape of it is

1462
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,280
very very similar to what people know

1463
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:07,440
from ariel you know beings that were

1464
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,720
kids they saw them it was a ship there

1465
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,000
were teachers that seemed to fib and

1466
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,640
then changed the story later um yeah

1467
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:14,480
it's fascinating uh

1468
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,000
it's the case i i hope uh james fox

1469
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,640
includes it in the documentary one day

1470
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,880
cool before we jump across to you andy i

1471
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:24,720
just want to answer this question and uh

1472
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,000
gnosis

1473
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,760
do you think avi loeb is aware of the

1474
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,160
woo and what happens to galileo if the

1475
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:31,680
woo is true

1476
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:33,680
i'll i'll just put my point in is that

1477
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:36,079
avi lobe is looking for pictures the woo

1478
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:37,440
can exist

1479
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,520
completely alongside all that but he

1480
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:41,200
just wants the photos you know the woo

1481
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,119
is completely compatible with what he's

1482
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,200
doing in my opinion

1483
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,640
yeah and i think that's that was the

1484
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:48,720
phrase he used

1485
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:49,520
like

1486
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,760
he said they they go in fishing and

1487
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,760
they're expecting to catch fish but if

1488
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:55,520
they catch a strange fish they'll

1489
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,109
and i think people are looking at

1490
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,440
elizondo and melon coming on board

1491
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,160
project galileo so you would think

1492
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,319
straight off the bat that avi would be

1493
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,920
saying to them okay where do i point

1494
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,440
these telescopes

1495
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:13,599
or where should we look

1496
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,640
and that's a very quick way to

1497
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,800
yep look over here as opposed to put

1498
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,480
them here here here and here and see

1499
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:22,400
what we find so i think that's going to

1500
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:23,760
be a very

1501
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:25,760
interesting direction as to where the

1502
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:28,000
first instruments even if they're not

1503
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:29,599
telescopes just the first instruments

1504
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:33,599
get get pointed set up and used so um

1505
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:35,040
again there's a lot of voices behind

1506
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,400
that though

1507
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,800
yeah they go with with that one

1508
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,000
yeah i think it's one of those cases

1509
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,079
i've just have to wait and see you know

1510
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,160
but you know i think the woo and the

1511
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,319
nuts and bolts is kind of drawing closer

1512
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:48,160
and closer with a lot of studies and

1513
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,280
things but

1514
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,440
i think it's a bit of a waiting game you

1515
00:52:55,349 --> 00:52:53,680
know there are wait we're looking for

1516
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:55,359
language i think

1517
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:56,240
like

1518
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:57,760
you know before you can describe

1519
00:53:02,069 --> 00:53:00,000
something it's hard to talk about if you

1520
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:02,079
don't if you don't all agree on what a

1521
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,440
word means

1522
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,839
yeah and we're finding the language to

1523
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,440
talk about these things as we walk down

1524
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:09,760
this path you know words like quantum

1525
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,040
didn't exist like 150 years ago that's a

1526
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,119
new language that we now get to and i

1527
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,480
mean it's everywhere it's in goddamn

1528
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,800
kids movies in ant-man right it's

1529
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,040
you know it's a fairly

1530
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,960
it's a hard concept to understand but

1531
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:25,200
it's permeated the culture and i think

1532
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,960
that kind of same process is gonna

1533
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,960
happen here you know what they'll have a

1534
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,800
word for these things in 100 years that

1535
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:33,520
we have no idea what it'll be yet

1536
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,319
yeah

1537
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,800
fantastic point really good point uh so

1538
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:38,480
let's talk about favorite case andy we

1539
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,589
andy what's your favorite case if you

1540
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,319
had to choose one yeah i mean to be fair

1541
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,119
pentarc is a really good case of nothing

1542
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:55,520
ufo just military exercise it was it was

1543
00:53:59,349 --> 00:53:57,680
expertly run and witnessed by some of

1544
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,359
the public um

1545
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:02,640
the best kind of uap case for me is is

1546
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,119
the phoenix light still because there's

1547
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,280
it's it's really modern

1548
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,359
it's not military based like you know

1549
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:11,200
nimitz princeton and stuff as well it's

1550
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:12,240
still

1551
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,079
public case a mass sighting but it's so

1552
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:18,480
frustratingly close to

1553
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,319
having better footage if it just

1554
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,280
happened seven years eight years later

1555
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,520
you would have had earlier better cell

1556
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,680
phones filming it and who would have had

1557
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,680
some really cool photographs and footage

1558
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,599
and i can't help but think there must be

1559
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:33,200
some footage out there that we just have

1560
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,640
never seen and it's never seen the light

1561
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,720
of day maybe people a bit more scared to

1562
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,400
ever release it because

1563
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,319
if that thing that that size was flying

1564
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,760
over that that city um not just in in

1565
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,839
one night necessarily you know

1566
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,400
that that's incredible um the the

1567
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:50,160
cover-up story is really poor for it as

1568
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,280
well

1569
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,920
because it's it's just not flare flares

1570
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,799
you know

1571
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,319
that's that's not the way that works and

1572
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,960
i get i i'm i can be the first person to

1573
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:00,640
to burst someone's balloon almost

1574
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,799
literally on on twitter or if someone

1575
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:04,160
sends me a video and it's what do you

1576
00:55:08,069 --> 00:55:05,920
think of this and i go looks like a

1577
00:55:09,670 --> 00:55:08,079
balloon or it looks like a dot in the

1578
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,680
distance it could be it could be an

1579
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,440
alien spacecraft it could be a kid's

1580
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,760
party balloon i don't know but

1581
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,119
phoenix lights for me is an incredible

1582
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:16,799
one so many witnesses

1583
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,079
it's something that obviously years

1584
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,640
later fife symington came out and talked

1585
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,160
about how it ruined his career

1586
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,160
politically because he took the steer at

1587
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,000
the time of just downplay it have some

1588
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,000
fun with it brought out that stupid

1589
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,760
great the press conference and told the

1590
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,359
journalists they were and the people

1591
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,119
they were they were taking themselves

1592
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:35,680
too seriously and the people revolted

1593
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,440
because they had been they were being

1594
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,599
told no you're stupid you never saw that

1595
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,920
and they knew exactly what they'd seen

1596
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,200
they knew what they saw as the

1597
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,440
documentary goes um there's a really

1598
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,200
good youtube documentary that dan

1599
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,920
aykroyd i think stan akroyd on ufos

1600
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,680
and there's a huge piece on the phoenix

1601
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,680
lights within that and it's really well

1602
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,200
done and it's got some really great

1603
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,440
footage and interviews from the time and

1604
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,960
whole family standing outside their

1605
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:01,520
houses talking about what they saw um so

1606
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,680
yeah again cut russell famously came out

1607
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,040
in the last couple of years talked about

1608
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,280
how he was the the pilot who sought

1609
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,960
because he was was he dropping off his

1610
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:10,880
daughter's friend or something some kind

1611
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:13,200
of event um dan you remember the details

1612
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:14,799
of that don't you

1613
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,520
yeah yeah he was just flying into land

1614
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:20,400
um at the airport and he says as he was

1615
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,559
coming down he saw these lights and he

1616
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:24,000
called into the tower to ask if they

1617
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:25,440
were going to be a problem and in his

1618
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,400
way and

1619
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,240
turns out they weren't he landed and

1620
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,960
went on with his life and it was years

1621
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:32,960
later he said that he was walking

1622
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,280
through a room and he

1623
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,359
over

1624
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,359
like just caught the tail end of a news

1625
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,440
report on tv about the phoenix lights

1626
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,440
and they spoke about a pilot that came

1627
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:45,359
in to land and he was he remembered in

1628
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:47,040
that moment oh god that was me and it

1629
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,480
never bothered him up to that point and

1630
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:50,400
that's such a strange

1631
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,200
facet of that case that he seemed to

1632
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,520
forget until he was nudged to remember

1633
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,520
by something you know like there's this

1634
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,839
weird quality to this whole

1635
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:02,079
this whole phenomena um you know that's

1636
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,440
not the only case with something like

1637
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,760
that happening um with the phoenix

1638
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,680
lights i i'd highly recommend

1639
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:09,839
uh there was a call

1640
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,559
on arbel's radio show uh

1641
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,920
of someone basically calling in and

1642
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,720
describing what what they saw and i on

1643
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,040
youtube it's played over the top of the

1644
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,880
footage and every time i watch it it

1645
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,960
just gives me chills because like andy

1646
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:24,240
said it's

1647
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,319
it's a hard one to deny it's really hard

1648
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,240
to deny you you place that 10 years

1649
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:30,160
later and

1650
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,839
you know the wheels come off disclosure

1651
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,720
on on that sighting right

1652
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,160
yeah definitely i was lucky enough to

1653
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,640
speak to dr lin kite about it for anyone

1654
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:40,079
that hasn't seen it on my channel if you

1655
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:43,119
go back i know 20 videos or so she gives

1656
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,400
a really good presentation on the

1657
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,720
phoenix lights case and i think james

1658
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,319
fox covered the case really well and i

1659
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:49,839
think it was the documentary i know what

1660
00:57:54,549 --> 00:57:52,720
i saw i'm pretty sure he covers that

1661
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,559
in that documentary as well

1662
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,160
go and check it out

1663
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,040
um well listen guys before we finish off

1664
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:01,680
dan i'd like you to talk about

1665
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,400
this raffle that you've got going on

1666
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:06,000
yeah if that's okay so

1667
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,960
so we

1668
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,799
flew in some fundraising for uh saint

1669
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:11,200
jude's children's research hospital and

1670
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:15,440
for the humane society international um

1671
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:18,960
the there's a raffle you enter and

1672
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,839
the prize is a a signed truth poster

1673
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,160
from luella zondo we had him sign it

1674
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,839
when we met him in london

1675
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:28,000
the person who donates the most to the

1676
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,880
course

1677
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:31,280
will get a personal thank you call from

1678
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,559
lou elizondo himself which is nuts and

1679
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:36,640
thank you so much to lufa for donating

1680
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,760
that and adding that into the part um

1681
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:41,119
we're going to be adding some community

1682
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,319
prizes over the next few weeks um

1683
00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:46,079
i won't spoil them all but we we have a

1684
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,079
canvas from olaf uh and i'll just leave

1685
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,640
that one kind of hanging there uh he did

1686
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,960
show it off on priscilla's book club a

1687
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,720
few nights ago so if you go

1688
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,160
watch that you'll see it at the end and

1689
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,240
in the background uh that could be yours

1690
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,680
but yeah uh

1691
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,000
that raffle finishes uh uh kind of

1692
00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:07,200
midnight on the 24th so christmas day uh

1693
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:09,280
i'll get to send a few people emails and

1694
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,160
let them know the good news

1695
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,720
awesome thank you so much now andy let

1696
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:16,160
let us know what you've got

1697
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,119
oh

1698
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,200
um i'm not sure if i put it in the

1699
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,599
description below if i haven't i'll add

1700
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,280
it to it after this

1701
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,079
go dot rally up dot com forward slash

1702
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,400
truth there you go sorry there you go

1703
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:30,799
but uh yeah if i haven't i'm ashamed if

1704
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:31,920
i haven't but i'll put it in straight

1705
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,960
after this

1706
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,640
um thank you yeah andy what have you got

1707
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,720
coming up my friend

1708
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,829
no um what have i got coming up let me

1709
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,760
look at my i've got like a board i

1710
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:45,520
bought with all the guests and stuff on

1711
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,119
it so um we're we're live on kgra on

1712
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,079
friday night um we've got uh red panda

1713
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,079
koala young documentary maker is going

1714
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,400
to join us dan for the live on that one

1715
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,119
um so the kg ray shows fly by like

1716
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:00,880
there's lots of fun people in the chat

1717
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,000
so that's 11 p.m uk 3 p.m

1718
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:07,200
pacific 6 p.m eastern and apologize if

1719
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,559
you aren't in the uk or the us you'll

1720
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:11,040
have to work at the time yourself um

1721
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,559
so that those are good so join us for

1722
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:14,799
those every friday night i've got mary

1723
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:16,880
rodwell i'm speaking to you tomorrow who

1724
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,359
is a well-known uh alien abductee

1725
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:21,680
counsellor which i'm on the fence with a

1726
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,960
lot of that kind of stuff so it'll be an

1727
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,720
interesting conversation

1728
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:25,839
i've got

1729
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:26,799
uh

1730
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,200
diana pasulka the week after that frank

1731
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,280
melbourne the week after that dr michael

1732
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,520
masters the week after that and we've

1733
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,760
got a round table that i can't announce

1734
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:37,440
yet because i have to have a phone call

1735
01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,960
with two of them first don't adam

1736
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:40,640
because dan can't just arrange it for me

1737
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:43,200
like i asked no

1738
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,559
we've got to have a phone call first to

1739
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,160
work out some stuff and but there should

1740
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,000
be a pretty cool round table for people

1741
01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,480
to to join in with

1742
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,000
no offense to anyone and including you

1743
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:54,240
vinnie in this i can't do more than four

1744
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,839
people on the screen at one time as a

1745
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,680
roundtable and just it just doesn't work

1746
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:59,520
for me so it'll be two people joining

1747
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,839
myself and dan um which i look forward

1748
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:03,119
to because that should be happening

1749
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,640
won't it then

1750
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:06,799
yeah yeah yeah for sure and i'll tell

1751
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,640
you here that your proposed state was

1752
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,880
oh okay good stuff this is how dan and i

1753
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,160
communicate now on other people's

1754
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,710
it's like the beatles towards the end

1755
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:20,000
before they split where they would only

1756
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:21,520
talk to each other like when they turned

1757
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:23,280
up to the concert so hi dan yeah you're

1758
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,880
okay this means that one of us is going

1759
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,359
to see a ufo again because you know

1760
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,559
that's what happened

1761
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:31,520
yeah yeah but no there's more stuff

1762
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:32,480
other than that we'll have the

1763
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:36,000
breakdowns and i've got uh um two review

1764
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,480
shows one for observers and one for

1765
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,240
multi-dimensional i know you really

1766
01:01:45,829 --> 01:01:42,240
enjoyed that one vinnie um

1767
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,839
only on your recommendation though man

1768
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:48,000
i i wouldn't use the word recommendation

1769
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:49,200
um

1770
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,640
but we're going to be reviewing those

1771
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:52,319
for the podcast as well it depends on

1772
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:54,000
the question yeah

1773
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,200
yeah

1774
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,680
vinnie asked you hey andy how can i just

1775
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,599
set fire to some of my time and yeah and

1776
01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,599
then you recommended it right

1777
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,079
yeah potentially

1778
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,000
but yeah the documentaries the last

1779
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:07,599
couple of months haven't been the the

1780
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,039
greatest standard halfway let's be

1781
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:11,280
honest

1782
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,079
yeah

1783
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:14,000
swiftly moving on

1784
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:16,880
i'll just see it like but yeah

1785
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:17,839
it's been

1786
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:20,240
but the thing is the i think some of the

1787
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,760
stuff that's been put out in the last

1788
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,880
couple of years

1789
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,960
set the bar so high that it's almost

1790
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,400
unreachable

1791
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,960
you know with with not much

1792
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,079
happening

1793
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:32,400
since they were put out how do you

1794
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,039
compete with no new information or data

1795
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:36,799
because you're kind of rehashing i'll

1796
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,960
tell you how you don't bother but there

1797
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:40,319
you go

1798
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,640
yeah save it for another year like if

1799
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:44,480
you can't add to the conversation and

1800
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,520
the one you're mentioning is the

1801
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:47,680
phenomenon then leave it at that then

1802
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,640
ross cool a piece the phenomenon was

1803
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:52,960
was great including for people like us

1804
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,680
who loved the subject and then roscoe

1805
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,760
tax was fantastic

1806
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,359
especially for people who were new to

1807
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:01,440
the subject and that australian audience

1808
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,400
and in the us and worldwide um and for

1809
01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:06,400
me if you can't add to it just just

1810
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:07,680
leave it be

1811
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,119
and put it on the back burner and then

1812
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:13,119
come to it when it's ready to to come to

1813
01:03:16,789 --> 01:03:14,640
fruition um

1814
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,799
so yeah i would never started my podcast

1815
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,160
if i didn't think i could add something

1816
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:20,319
i'm sure if any of you were the same so

1817
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,240
i just absolutely but

1818
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:24,000
they are what they are and their content

1819
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:25,440
and if it's like dan mentioned with the

1820
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,240
demi lovato stuff if it draws in

1821
01:03:32,549 --> 01:03:30,720
a new pair of eyes then

1822
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:32,559
then job done for the for the ufo

1823
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:33,599
community

1824
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:36,079
absolutely man and for everyone watching

1825
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,480
now live and in the future

1826
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,960
both andy and dan's all the social media

1827
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:42,960
links website links everything is in the

1828
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,200
description below dan's art t-shirts

1829
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,240
stickers patches andy's that ufo podcast

1830
01:03:51,910 --> 01:03:50,799
website social medias and everything

1831
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,920
gentlemen if you don't mind hanging

1832
01:03:55,589 --> 01:03:53,760
about till after we get off live we can

1833
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,599
have a little debrief for everyone

1834
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,119
watching that's been here live thank you

1835
01:04:00,150 --> 01:03:58,559
so much i really appreciate you all

1836
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,160
being here for the super chat super

1837
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:02,240
stickers thank you so much and everyone

1838
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:04,319
and in the conversation i appreciate you

1839
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:06,319
all i'm gonna be back here in two days

1840
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:09,520
time this thursday 8 pm uk so that's 12

1841
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:12,079
p.m pacific 3 p.m eastern and i'm going

1842
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:14,799
to be joined by mr omar lara who was on

1843
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:18,079
the uss nimitz back in 2004

1844
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:20,319
and had a sighting so come and join me

1845
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:22,319
for that one it's going to be great but

1846
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,359
for now everyone thank you so much and i

1847
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:27,839
will see you on the next one